Take the politics out of it and deal with it from a historical aspect

JL: There are Indians today who are using the terms genocide and ethnic cleansing--but in regards to the whites. The whites committed genocide; the whites committed ethnic cleansing. But if you look at the Dakota warfare, they were attacking across the frontier. Not just Milford, but Lake Shetek, Randall County, way up toward Fort Ripley, that direction. They were attacking across the frontier, and some of them were killing everybody. And if that isn't ethnic cleansing -- I don't know what is. If I could say I was qualified to be an expert, I would say: yes both were, or one wasn't and one was, I don't know. All I'm saying is that it's very similar. And if you look at it, Indians were forced marched to Mankato. The Indians taken to Fort Snelling were not forced marched. It took about seven days to travel that, maybe a hundred and forty miles, twenty miles a day. That's not a great distance to travel and there was food along the way. But compare that to the people who were taken captive by the Dakota Indians near St. Peter around Milford/New Ulm area, and force marched up the river to Camp Release. There was another forced march that nobody talks about. It's very similar to both sides, and that's why I'm saying that I believe the key is understanding -- treating everybody respectfully and truthfully. And I think it's got to start with Minnesota Historical Society. This year—2012 even-- I hope it will go back to history roots. Take the politics out of it and deal with it from a historical aspect.

DL: If you had a magic wand, what would you wish for the Dakota people today?

JL: I believe they need the understanding. They need the education, or books; people that are telling them what happened here without embellishment, without trying to get them to be angry about what happened. I think that especially younger people need to understand what it is that happened without anger and without hate. But I am afraid that there are too many people in the Dakota Indian communities now that are speaking out in anger and hate. I should say, those that are speaking out are speaking out with anger and hate. A lot of people, even within my family, I would say, if you know they aren't telling the truth why don't you say something? “Well, we don't have to because we know they're not telling the truth.”